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Postby gamescorpion » 21 Apr 2012, 19:08

A group known as FaultyClones http://www.faultyclones.com/about-us/ is cracking various iOS apps :(

Unfortunately they cracked one of ours and have placed it online for those who are looking for it. What's even worse is that when you go to the page they list our app on, it says that the APP WAS MADE BY THEM?! LIKE WTF! http://iphonecake.com/bbs/redirect.php?tid=66339&goto=lastpost

Anyways, this sort of shit is what hurts our industry. Just as a note, we placed the ShiVa code in there to check if its cracked (mightbecracked function). But I dont know how well that will work as I have yet to download and test the crack copy.

To add to the piss off, these software hackers are charging anyone who wishes a crack done $5.99 per app to crack and break as long as someone simply provides a url to the iOS link.

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up to expose this group so that you are aware that such things DO exist.

Anyways, stay positive :) And as for those who are hacking the hard work of developers...GOD IS WATCHING that's all I have to say.

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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby gamescorpion » 21 Apr 2012, 19:12

Here is the main website that has a lot of cracked apps (here is the link I found specifically with our hacked copy. I downloaded it, i'm going to test it out to see if the ShiVa MightBeCracked will stop the game or not):

http://apptrackr.org/?act=viewapp&appid=470610850

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EDIT: Ok I've been trying to put the ipa on my iPod Touch. It definitly IS OUR APP, however its such a pain in the ass to get onto the iPod. Seriously the person who is even thinking about getting this copy will most likely be a computer developer/hacker or must be EXTREMELY well versed in how to do things with computers (Better than the majority of regular customer base) to figure out how to put an ipa file onto their device. Most likely jail breaking then using cydia, etc. etc.

INFACT here is what message I got when I tried to install the crack copy on a NON-Jailbroken iPod:
"The App 'MelinasConquest' was not installed on the iPod because an unknown error occurred (0xE8008001)"

Anyways I'm no longer worried about it, I'm going on vacation. Just for others who may want to know and learn about things like this.
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby queryamit » 21 Apr 2012, 19:39

Better as we work hard for months to make this game . :)
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby dreamora » 21 Apr 2012, 21:17

You cna not install cracked apps on non-cracked iOS devices as you can only install apps signed by apple for appstore and those with provisions including your device and in this case its neither.

Also its potentially important to note that functions like these in shiva etc are worthless to prevent steal of application. better focus on use it to track cracked copies and find ways to convert them to paying customers. Or do what others do and sell the real game as In app purchase that out of the box prevents jailbroken devices to even use it as apple kicks them from the IAP system (you will get various mails from angry users claiming that they downloaded it and that it doesn't work yet they refuse to understand that crackers shall go to hell or android)
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby gamescorpion » 22 Apr 2012, 01:27

dreamora wrote:You cna not install cracked apps on non-cracked iOS devices as you can only install apps signed by apple for appstore and those with provisions including your device and in this case its neither.

Also its potentially important to note that functions like these in shiva etc are worthless to prevent steal of application. better focus on use it to track cracked copies and find ways to convert them to paying customers. Or do what others do and sell the real game as In app purchase that out of the box prevents jailbroken devices to even use it as apple kicks them from the IAP system (you will get various mails from angry users claiming that they downloaded it and that it doesn't work yet they refuse to understand that crackers shall go to hell or android)


Yes the IAP method is probably best.

I'm going to follow your positive outlook on converting those users into paid customers, thats probably the best way.

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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby Fraser » 22 Apr 2012, 13:57

Gamescorpion,

Hi, love your work and am impressed by your productivity.

This touches a nerve for me, It's REALLY annoying when some stupid kids crack your work just so they can pretend to be elite hackers. I have lost thousands in the PC shareware market over douches like this.

Not so bad for you on iOS because as you say only a tiny percentage of users will bother jailbraking etc.
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby gamescorpion » 22 Apr 2012, 17:37

Fraser wrote:Gamescorpion,

Hi, love your work and am impressed by your productivity.

This touches a nerve for me, It's REALLY annoying when some stupid kids crack your work just so they can pretend to be elite hackers. I have lost thousands in the PC shareware market over douches like this.

Not so bad for you on iOS because as you say only a tiny percentage of users will bother jailbraking etc.


Thanks for the kind words Fraser. God sees all things. I really believe in karma, God will bless all us hard working developers with much more.

I'm going to keep focusing on innovation and creation of quality products and God will handle the hackers.

Infact u put a smile on my face in the whole situation. In very grateful to know others appreciate our work and are helpful here on ShiVa forums. Another reason why I'm always so grateful I purchased ShiVa and became a part of the forums.

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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby giggsy » 23 Apr 2012, 06:52

@IAP: as we see in Candy Island, also IAPs can be cracked ...
I've read some numbers (not mobile but PC games), that about 10% are cracked.
From our numbers, this is far below 10% of the users though.
You probably just have to live with that and hope, that those people at least "spread the word" about your game :)

Another problem is, that those users mess up your analytics if you e.g. use flurry to track ingame events ... they buy the biggest coin packs - not only once but 5-10 times and probably play the game completely different.
So you have to find a way to exclude them from the tracking (we're doing some tests on that topic).
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby Diffa » 23 Apr 2012, 07:56

IAPs can be cracked, we have "lost" tens of thousands dollars from cracked IAPs.
But you have to remember that the people who use cracked IAPs are the people who usually wont pay for anything. So in my opinion those wont count as a lost sale.
If you release a android version of your game, you can bet it can found from some chinese android market for free. So make a admob supported version of the game and replace the version from the chinese market with that. (if you're the developer you can just go and "own" the game and then update it). I've done this couple of times.
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby shivachristy » 02 May 2012, 15:32

Just a note,
I have noticed a massive number of downloads of free apps from china,
and so far I have only had 1 purchase from china.

obviously nothing illegal, but I think the chinese mindset is to copy or get for free and not pay. Probably the only exception to this are the mega rich of china. But maybe they got rich by doing copies and rip offs in the first place.

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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby DoctorPepper » 02 May 2012, 15:45

Asian and russian culture is somewhat strange. They can drop 20 bucks on jailbreak and modchips, just to get 15 99cent apps.
I am soon to release my first game. Free to download and play first few levels, 99cents to unlock the rest of the game.
It saddens me a lot that even inApp purchases can be hacked. Monkeyballs is what i have to say about that
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby Nicko » 02 May 2012, 15:52

I wrote an application which synchronized a windows mobile pda or phone to google calendar, in less than a week it had been cracked and all over the internet never made a penny from it. I contacted the people hosting the cracked versions and asked them to remove them. They just sprung up else where. It's bad enough that applications and games are forced to be sold for so little on the stores. The app store has a lot to answer for. Someone will always find away of avoiding buying software it's just the way it goes.
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby shivachristy » 02 May 2012, 18:27

This may sound like a strange question, but which country/s is responsible for the hacking.

I may decide to not sell my software in that country. It svery easy in itunes to unselect countries.
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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby gamescorpion » 02 May 2012, 18:29

Sad part is today I just found the BAR version (Blackberry Playbook) of Melina's Conquest HACKED as well now too. Good news is that now I know our game is either REALLY good that people want it badly or REALLY BAD that people dont want to pay for it and just want it free LOL.

In any case I've contacted the hosting company to have the damn file removed and they are giving me this email response, wasting yet another hour of my soul just to get the file REMOVED from their site:

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What a pain! :(

Anyways like many of you have said, whether I like it or not, others will just have another copy pop up elsewhere.

I'm investigating the LITE options as per what one of the other users just said, and hopefully that will reduce the amount of hacking.

ALSO I'm investigating another method within apps to make some serious cash. I will find out by near mid/end of year if this works.

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Re: Hackers hacking iOS apps

Postby gamescorpion » 02 May 2012, 18:31

shivachristy wrote:This may sound like a strange question, but which country/s is responsible for the hacking.

I may decide to not sell my software in that country. It svery easy in itunes to unselect countries.


Well the hackers that hacked Melina's Conquest I believe are some young kids from somewhere in Europe or Russia.

Not sure though, but from what I can tell thats where I believe they are from.

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